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February 06, 2010

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nick lowry

nice-- i'd just add that for me its as much taking the ukemi for a given waza--ideally from someone with very clean principles-- over and over and over again an over and over again that really stimulates the interanlization of the more subtle aspects of a throw-- i dont think any ammount of being tori/nage and thowning a throw will ever result in good timing -- the sensitivity to timing comes from what your body an mind absorb in clean ukemi

Leon

Hello,

A nice article about your experience. I really don't understand why Irimi nage should be so hard to understand and why it would take years to learn it... It may take years to refine it but you should be told the essential in your first year, especially when one considers how central Irimi nage was in O sensei's practice.

If anyone, he should be the technical reference here and not the people after him - for throwing on the hip has never been in the curriculum he taught before or after the war. The very essence of the technique can be easily spotted in Aikibudo movie (1935) and a few one shot in Iwama.

Since the origin of the movement is a sword awaze, the hip throw is at best a variation (henka) and should not be taken as the primary form. I can't remember any movie where O sensei does it this way nor any of his best direct students (Saito, Shioda, Tohei senseis, etc). I agree that form is spectacular but its construction is extremely long, dangerous and subject to many requirements. Simpler and therefore somehow more effective solutions do exist.

In other words let's keep it simple. Experience tells us that only simple gestures are useful.

That post may sound a bit arrogant but be sure there's nothing of the sort here. I am not talking here, I have invented nothing.....;-)

Best
L


scruffysmileyface

Leon, you are exactly right! Irimi nage is one of those techniques that were central to O Sensei's practice, and can be taught in one class. However, that doesn't mean you'll get it right after one class. It also doesn't mean you'll be able to do it consistently after one class. To get it consistently right takes years of practice, just as it did for O Sensei.

You're also right that Kato Sensei's hip involvement is more of a derivative than a fundamental. But let's not split hairs. If your shihan says to do the throw with a particular hip movement, you do the throw with the hip movement. Kato Sensei is an 8th dan in the Aikikai and was a personal student of O Sensei. He has told people that O Sensei personally showed him that hip movement. So whether you've seen it in film clips or not, we (students of Kato Sensei) believe it to have come from O Sensei. Besides, for anyone to suggest that a student simply disregard the teachings of his sensei in favor of what said student believes to understand from a few seconds (or even hours) of film footage from 1935, is wrong thinking.

Further, I would point out that aikido as practiced today within the Aikikai is NOT the same as the movements demonsrated in the 1935 film "Aikibudo" (Actually I think it was just called "Budo", wasn't it?). O Sensei, and then Kisshomaru Doshu and today Moriteru Doshu have, let's say...evolved the art a great deal since 1935, and I certainly wouldn't want to try to emulate everything I see on that film while on the mat at the Hombu. Would you?

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Kato Sensei to do, have to create this inverted triangle in place, and use it to launch the hip in the art.

scruff

Absolutely correct. An inverted triangle is Kato Sensei's pattern for footwork while executing the irimi nage, and he uses it to great effect in setting up the hip movement.

Thanks for the comment! :)

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